Introducing a new episode of Audio Signals where Marco Ciappelli welcomes his good friend, Christina Stokes, to talk about her new podcast on ITSPmagazine: On Cyber & AI Podcast.
Guest: Christina Stokes, Host, On Cyber & AI Podcast
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Host: Marco Ciappelli, Co-Founder at ITSPmagazine [@ITSPmagazine] and Host of Redefining Society Podcast & Audio Signals Podcast
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Episode Introduction
In the latest episode of Audio Signals, Marco Ciappelli sits down with cybersecurity expert Christina Stokes to discuss her exciting new podcast on ITSPmagazine. The episode kicks off with Marco introducing Christina and setting the stage for their conversation.
The podcast, titled "On Cyber and AI," is a journey into the realms of cybersecurity, artificial intelligence, and other emerging technologies. Christina shares her motivations behind starting the podcast, emphasizing the importance of discussing cybersecurity and AI with experts in the field. The goal is to provide valuable insights, share real-life experiences, and educate a diverse audience ranging from tech beginners to seasoned professionals.
Christina's first guest on the show is Diana Kelly, a renowned figure in the cybersecurity space. Diana's appearance signifies the caliber of guests that Christina aims to bring on board – individuals who can offer unique perspectives on cybersecurity, AI, and their impact on society. The podcast also aims to feature guests from various tech roles, including practitioners, executives, and individuals affected by technology.
One of the key themes that emerge from the conversation is the significance of storytelling in the realm of cybersecurity. Both Christina and Marco highlight how storytelling plays a crucial role in educating, engaging, and connecting with the audience. By sharing personal stories, experiences, and insights, the podcast aims to demystify cybersecurity and AI, making these complex topics more accessible to a wider audience.
As the discussion unfolds, Christina talks about the challenges and dynamic nature of the tech industry, emphasizing the need for continuous learning and adaptation. From navigating cybersecurity incidents to staying abreast of evolving technologies, the podcast promises to provide a multifaceted view of the tech landscape.
The episode wraps up with Marco and Christina encouraging listeners to tune in to the podcast, engage with the content, and join the conversation around cybersecurity and AI. With a focus on curiosity, lifelong learning, and genuine storytelling, Christina's podcast promises to be a valuable resource for tech enthusiasts, professionals, and curious minds alike.
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[00:00:00] Marco Ciappelli: Well, hello, everybody. This is Marco Ciappelli. Welcome to another episode of audio signals. Even if this time we will talk about technology, about cyber security, about artificial intelligence and a lot of other fun stuff. The goal is actually to introduce a new podcast on ITSP Magazine with my good friend Christina Stokes, which is right here.
If you're watching the video, you can see her. And if you're listening, I'm not lying to you. Here she is, Christina. Say hello. Goodbye. You will do that at the end. Let's start with hello.
[00:00:39] Christina Stokes: Hello, how are you? Thanks for having me on your show.
[00:00:44] Marco Ciappelli: It's been, uh, it's been a project in the making for a while. I remember we were talking about this adventure, uh, exactly a year ago at RSA conference.
Last year and I was really excited about your idea and sometimes good things take time And we're finally launched the show It's your show and that's what we're going to be talking about here today where we talk about the stories that you will tell Um, and also we'll talk about the storyteller which is you mostly why you decided to use the podcast platform To share certain story.
What is your why and I think that's really the most important thing In the end, why do we do what we do and then the how and the what come after so Absolutely, let's start with the beginning of the story, which is you a little introduction about yourself for our audience
[00:01:40] Christina Stokes: So my, I'm Christina Stokes.
Um, I work in cybersecurity. I, uh, decided to switch into cyber a few years ago after working in other industries where I had roles that overlapped with tech, um, prior to that, uh, before I was living in the U S I. Uh, worked on military bases overseas, uh, NATO bases. I grew up, uh, in the Philippines, Japan, and Italy, and moved to the U.
S., um, after college as an adult, and eventually my roles became more and more technical over time. And I became interested in the safety aspect of cybersecurity and keeping data safe, keeping people safe with the proliferance of social media and the information that, you know, people are sharing that we could find there were some dangers to that and that really drew me into cyber.
Um, and I decided to start a business to help. Business owners and, um, entrepreneurs keep their businesses safe because that of course impacted their families, especially when you're one person business and just starting out. And it, I decided to. Go to back to college, to graduate school. And I earned a dual degree in cyber security and MBA.
Um, and here I am a few years later. So it's, it's been an interesting journey. Uh, it hasn't been a straightforward journey, but I've enjoyed every step of the way.
[00:03:13] Marco Ciappelli: You know how bored we'll be if it was a straightforward journey? It's like, if you're on a journey, if it's just all the way straight until the sun, until the sunset or the sunrise, it's, it's gonna be a little boring.
Um, so, you know, adventure is what make us who we are. And, uh, and we, and, and, and what, It sounds to me you were already driven into security in a way by being in the military, obviously. And then you decided to bring that into the civil. Yes. Yes. I was.
[00:03:49] Christina Stokes: Yeah. I was out there as a dependent and we got so much information about, you know, operation security.
And I was also living and working out there during a time where, you know, that digital revolution was starting to take place. And so this was prior to social media and just when we started having websites and things like that. So a lot of the work that I did was helping transition from Um, paper to digital.
And I worked for a journalist at the time on military base and NATO. And that was a really interesting experience. And, you know, what we were allowed to post and share and write about, um, and what we couldn't, uh, for, you know, obvious reasons, military strategic
[00:04:34] Marco Ciappelli: reasons. You just told me something that I didn't know.
So I didn't know that your role of journalism, which is very. Very interesting. And I'm connecting the dots here. And yeah, you wanted now to do the same job telling stories and, and share news. And I think you're very Yay. Yay. Very driven by this idea, as you mentioned, to keep people safe. And yes, tell me about that.
So is this something you always had in your life, even before joining the military? And that's why you, you did that? Or
[00:05:07] Christina Stokes: what? So I want to clarify, I wasn't in the military. I was dependent. Oh, yeah.
[00:05:12] Marco Ciappelli: Yeah. So I was a
[00:05:14] Christina Stokes: civilian when I was working out there, but I had a family member who was, um, Who worked for the government.
They were a veteran, they worked for the government, uh, and that took them through their whole career. Uh, and so, um, the great thing for me was that we got to live in the Philippines when the base was open there, and I was able to be with my family for so long. Um, I, you know, was able to grow up in other countries too, like Japan and Italy.
Um, and I experienced a lot of different things like, um, living through a volcanic eruption in the Philippines. Uh, Mount Petituba erupted. And that was, uh, you know, that was wild. So we were, you know, evacuated. Um, the dependents were evacuated and we had to leave. And then, you know, like in Italy experiencing, uh, going into threat During 9 11 when that happened, um, was, and I lived off base at the time, so.
I remember being trapped on the base because I was, uh, I was, um, in school at the time and there was, uh, they weren't letting people off if all you had were civilian, like, clothes that could identify you as, uh, an American. And all I had on me that day was a cheerleading uniform and my JROTC uniform.
[00:06:37] Marco Ciappelli: Talking about not being able to be identified, right?
[00:06:40] Christina Stokes: Right, right. So, um, so I'm either, you know, in a Navy uniform or cheerleading gear. And I, you know, I was, um, stuck on the base for a little bit, but, you know, uh, all of it was an interesting experience. And then even after that, going to school with, um, on, on school buses with, uh, Navy security protecting you fully armed.
Um, you know, that was an experience too. So, um, safety has always been a consideration for me. And I, if you, if you talk to other military dependents and veterans, you'll hear about the one, Military channel that we have, which has changed. I'm sure that more channels now, but, um, we had AFN, the American Forces Network.
And a lot of our commercials were about operation security. So, you know, that just kind of got driven into me, um, and carried into the work that I did throughout my career. And I would always like. Look at things and kind of question, well, is that safe? And even when social media came about and I'm glad I was older when that started, cause I couldn't imagine being, you know, a teenager or something, dealing, dealing with social media.
It, you know, it was always, well, you know, what can you post? That keeps you safe so that your house doesn't get robbed or, you know, stuff like that. There's always a question in the back of my mind. Um, and that really drove me into, um, the, the security aspect of tech.
[00:08:14] Marco Ciappelli: It's, it's an intrusive story. I mean, I can definitely see myself, um, And, and I have the same thinking that you do, like, you know, I am a big fan of radio.
I still like to fall asleep at night with a little FM transistor radio, even in full day I'm on computer and smartphones and. And all of that, but just the idea of literally rolling and tuning in into you're in the static. So I always love communication and that's why my background is in sociology of communication.
And I wonder that, I mean, and that's what drove me into with Sean in cyber security and say that there is There is a lot that can be done to educate the everyday people, the small business, the medium sized business, but also the people that work in corporation. As we know, corporate can do a lot for you, but once you leave the, once you leave the network, then you find yourself somewhere else.
So, and I thought about that. I'm like, how different would have been my, my teenager life if we had all of this, you know, I think my first, uh, My first mobile phone was probably when I was, uh, in my twenties, so that's how old I am. Hello. It's me. Uh, but yeah, it kind of scary that took to go back to your point.
Like I'm glad that I got to experience that the analog to digital transformation. And of course it's still both analog and digital.
[00:09:43] Christina Stokes: Yes. And I love analog.
[00:09:47] Marco Ciappelli: I love both. I like to appreciate the digital because I also like to, you know, put a vinyl, uh, and, uh, you know, and hear the scratch instead of just pushing a button and everything is clean, right?
[00:10:02] Christina Stokes: Yeah. And even with books, sometimes I prefer the physical book, but I was telling a friend recently, like, I feel like the font is Keeps getting smaller. And at least on my Kindle, I can enlarge it, you know, but you know, I need those reading glasses. So terrible. I'm like, I need a magnifier.
[00:10:21] Marco Ciappelli: Yeah, well, you know, that's that's that's life.
But also, maybe, maybe a reason for why it's getting worse, too. It's because we're always staring at the phone all day long. We have the lights in our face and so on. Listen, before we start talking about your podcast, I want to touch on your multicultural experience growing up. I mean, me being Italian, obviously, living in the US and been traveling, I always say, you know, it just learning about different culture, it's just open your mind, you see things in a different way.
So I'm curious, especially because I've been in Japan, didn't live there, although it's one of my dreams, and loving that culture, but also so different from what I'm used to. You know, the Western culture or the Mediterranean culture. You also lived in Italy, so we can talk about that in the Philippines.
How do you see that making you who you are now because you experience all of that?
[00:11:26] Christina Stokes: I mean, I, I think it's made me, um, very open to different ideas and, and I've, it's made me very flexible. And also just extremely curious that curiosity has never, ever gone away. And I'm, you know, uh, what you call a forever learner.
So, um, but yeah, I'm, I'm Filipino. So growing up in the Philippines was just amazing because I had family there and, you know, my grandma who was really close to, and that was just, um, That really felt like home to me. So leaving the Philippines after the military base closed was very difficult, but we did, we went to Japan.
We lived in Okinawa, which is a smaller Island South, and it was beautiful. And I remember like we would go camping, um, on beaches and that Island was, was just, Gorgeous. And I had a wonderful time there. I was, um, able to learn a little bit of Japanese, which I did not carry forward, unfortunately. Um, but it, it was, it was an incredible experience.
And then after that, we ended up, um, in Italy where I lived for 10 years in Sicily. So, you know, It was, I got to travel all through Europe and travel all up and down Italy. And, you know, I think at one point we, my friends and I, um, we were in Rome for a school trip and we were doing our homework at the Spanish steps.
And, you know, a couple of, uh, my friends were like, Oh God, this is so boring. Cause it was like 17th time we've done it, but I'm like, When are we going to be able to do this ever again? You know, so I definitely learned to appreciate the experience. And, um, you know, what I, what I do miss is that, uh, I didn't take enough photos while we, while we were there.
And it's so great because now we have smartphones on our cell phones and everything. And had we had that, I mean, that would have been wonderful, but, you know, we, back then it was film cameras and, you know, the early. digital cameras with two megapixels that had terrible photos. But it was, um, all of it was great.
[00:13:46] Marco Ciappelli: Yeah, I love it. Yeah, I have the same regret. Like it is a phase of my life that I do have memories, but not many, not many pictures. But now I have probably way too many pictures. And maybe it's a funny story. Yesterday, which is now yesterday when you listen to this, because maybe a week ago, um, everything is relative, uh, there was the eclipse and it make me think about, you know, I, I'm not going to get, um, I mean, I wasn't in the full path, but close, close by.
And I said, I'm not going to get the glasses. I'm not going to go and get the camera with a filter and all that. I just want to sit outside or take a walk and experience it myself. Surrounding because now you go to a concert and you're just like always with your hands on the I mean, you're watching it through the lens camera and you kind of miss that sitting on the Spanish steps.
It's like it just enjoy it and live it instead of say, let me take this picture so that I can share with everybody else what I'm doing. But right. But you're not, you're taking it away from yourself. So something, right. Yeah.
[00:15:03] Christina Stokes: Like we've got, we've got the memories and the experience and you know, it's not like we weren't doing it for the likes, right.
So it's different.
[00:15:12] Marco Ciappelli: We were not doing it for the likes and the share and the retweet and all of that. Oh my God. That's, that's funny. We, which kind of bring us into. You know, sharing, maybe a little bit too much, as you mentioned, and all the many other things that cybersecurity, um, affect our life. And most of the people that are not in the industry, I don't really think about that.
And I think that's why it's such a hard job too. Yeah. Share with them. So, uh, on cyber and AI, it's the name of the show, of the podcast. Mm hmm. Uh, why?
[00:15:54] Christina Stokes: Why? So, um, I wanted to, uh, talk about cybersecurity. I wanted to talk about AI and other emerging technologies as well, not just AI. I know everyone, of course, right now is hyper focused on AI and then next.
It's going to be like quantum stuff and, you know, as it all moves forward, but, um, yes, and robotics, um, I want one of the dogs, if I could just, you know, have one of those at home. Um, but I wanted to talk about cybersecurity and, um, AI because I get a lot of questions about it. And I want to talk to people who know the answers.
Um, I want to help others share what they're dealing with day to day and talk about how AI and other emerging tech is going to impact cybersecurity. In all aspects, not just for us and what we do as professionals, but how it affects the tools that we use and what it means for our industry going forward.
Also, including regulations, frameworks, laws, policies, just GRC. I'm very interested in all of those areas and how all of those areas. Connect globally. Um, so I'm, it's not for me, like the, the interest. Isn't just domestically as far as the States goes, but globally, because we see, um, legislation in the EU affect what we do here in the States, like GDPR and things like that, and with, you know, emerging tech changing, not only how we work and how we live, but how.
Um, our laws and governments operate. And I think all of that is extremely fascinating and, and it's happening like right now, um, you know, we're in this seat and I feel like it's one of those moments that are gonna change. Like, it's like a chapter, like, for example, like the, before we had internet and then after we had internet, right?
So now it's like before AI and after AI, um, and, and things like that. So I think it's just, it's an interesting time. And it's an interesting space to be working in at this time. And I also want to provide information to those who are interested in coming into our industry and, and let them know from different people in different seats, what, what those roles are like, and what they can do to facilitate, um, having a career in this, if they're interested.
And it doesn't have to be. in a technical role, like not all of the roles are technical, they're adjacent positions. Um, so whatever your interests are, you know, you can find it in this industry for sure.
[00:18:40] Marco Ciappelli: Yep. It's, it's definitely an interesting time. And I was listening, I think I was flipping through Instagram.
Short story that Instagram knows exactly what I, what I, um, I mean, really, but one was a philosopher And an historian, he was talking about how back in the days in the middle age, but even in the 1800s, 1700, if you had to tell your kids or someone, a young person to say, well, what are the things that you need to learn to have a future?
Okay, learn how to do. To to use a bow and an arrow and how to ride a horse and how to do certain things And you can be sure in 20 years, it would not change, right? now This this philosopher were questioning. We don't know what skills is going to be requiring 10 years from now Literally do not know where it's going and right.
I find it Exciting but also a little little scary. So I appreciate you and people like you and you know Even what I do on my other show to kind of like talk to people about what the possibility are and And so my question for you is is this going to be a show where your target audience is uh people that are the work in the field, or you're, you're trying to make it understandable.
One on one cybersecurity, one on one AI, who, who is your target audience? At least in your mind, then we'll see who listens.
[00:20:22] Christina Stokes: I think it'll be a range, you know, of course, depending on, on the guest and the topic. Um, but I'd like it to be, you know, within reach. For a number of people, regardless of, you know, where you are in your journey when it comes to tech, whether you're a beginner or you're a seasoned expert, and I think with all of the changes that are happening now, and with everything going on with tech, a lot of us who are seasoned and experienced, um, feel like beginners at times.
So, you know, I mean, we can go back and talk about MS DOS 5. 5, but you know, that now we're talking about ML and LLM and AI and everyone's like, well, what, what is all this? Like, how do I do, you know, prompts and, and things like that. Um, but you're right. It is, you know, what do we tell? People, as far as how do you prepare?
Like I, you know, my, I have, um, I have a couple of kids and one of them's like, well, in the future, isn't AI just going to calculate everything for us? So like, you know, trigonometry, what's the point? And, and that is scary to me because there is like, what happens if, if the technology ever fails and nobody knows how to do it?
By hand or, you know, manually, or just how we did things when it was all more dependent on analog. So, you know, as, as fascinating and interesting as it is, I am still one of those people, even though I work in the industry that are a little. Skeptical? Like, I, it, it's not at a point yet. I don't think we're, you know, any of us are comfortable trusting at 100 percent because it is a technology itself that is still learning and still needing to be trained.
Um, and maybe if people are interested in, in careers, it's getting into that aspect of the data, um, training it, cause there's so many different ways it can be trained. And. These types of tools don't have, like I was saying, um, on one of my other episodes, the contextual knowledge that humans have, you know, they can't express or feel emotion, um, or just other things, uh, that are within societal context, because it doesn't know it the way humans know it.
So it, I don't think it can replace us in that sense.
[00:23:00] Marco Ciappelli: Storytelling, for sure. I have a couple of episodes, one with Alex Schwarzman. He's a sci fi writer, and he did a collection of stories where other writers participated, but the theme was to um, to portray the future or present with AI in a sci fi kind of way.
And it was very interesting. We were talking about exactly this thing, like, you know, like how, how do we not only interact with AI, but what can we do with it? And the point was, yeah, it's good at summarizing. Yeah, it's good at doing certain things, but That lack of experience about to, instead of parodying and mimicking what we've done as human, you can't write a poetry about love, unless you experience love, or lost love, or, I mean, that experience factor, it's what it does.
I think most than anything else, so well, I hope you're going to have many of this conversation too, but I know you're going to get some like sometimes much more technical due to your background as well. So, um, a vision of. The kind of guest you're going to bring on the show and you can start with the first episode which, hello, it's already live.
So when you're done listening to this, jump on, uh, on cyber and I, because it's with a really good friend, uh, she's been doing show with, uh, with me and Sean. We had a weekly a few years ago, um, and that's how we met. So who was your guest and who you envisioned to be our guest?
[00:24:47] Christina Stokes: So, um, my first guest was Diana Kelly and you're right, that show is live.
So check it out. Um, and I, I absolutely wanted her to be my first guest because of course she was the one, you know, she introduced me to you guys at, um, RSA. Uh, but also, um, After I had completed my dual degree program, uh, and I met Diana through, uh, Mutual People V. She, uh, one of my first podcasts that I was on as a guest was Diana's podcast.
It was an ITSP. I go to the podcast with her and, uh, Lamar Kessam. And, um, so of course, when we started talking about this, I absolutely wanted to have her come on, but she is such an inspiration to me. Uh, just her entire career and what she has worked on and what she's working on now. And Not just that, but she's very supportive of other people in technology, um, and women in tech, uh, as well.
And I wanted people to, um, you know, meet her. Of course, there's so many people that know who Diana is. Um, but she's just so, um, inspirational and such a great person to be around. And, uh, so other people that I'd love to have come on my show, um, Would be working in in similar areas of tech, uh, from all across the board, uh, as far as, you know, what they're doing, whether they're practitioners or executives.
I'm also interested in every once in a while, having guests come on who are not working directly in tech, um, but who are impacted by the technology. The, you know, technology that we work on. So whether it's, um, they're impacted by cybersecurity or they're impacted by AI, um, I'd like to have those folks come on board so that we can, uh, more for us in the industry.
to get a perspective on what it's like, um, for others outside of it and how they're being impacted, because that might be able to inform what we're doing, how we're rolling things out, how we write policies, um, and, and things like that.
[00:26:56] Marco Ciappelli: Really cool. And talking about another connection, uh, Dr. Joseph that you introduced to, Yeah.
to me, uh, is going to be on this show after this. I don't know in episode, but we were scheduled and our introductory call, that was exactly what he was telling me. Like they have this, this podcast, it's not on ITSP magazine, but he was telling me that it happened to have a friend that it's absolutely annoying.
The industry is actually, I think, in a sport journalist, if I remember well, and, And he said it was very refreshing to talk about technology with people that are not in technology, but then realize how, how technology actually is everywhere. And if there is technology, there is cyber security or we are in trouble.
Yes,
[00:27:45] Christina Stokes: yeah, you know, yeah, I've had that conversation with dr. Joseph as well. We're actually gonna do a little he's coming on to my podcast I'm gonna go on his He's he's wonderful. He's awesome. And we like to message each other and razz each other on Sports teams and things like that.
[00:28:01] Marco Ciappelli: So, you know, very cool.
Well, listen, I am super excited about this and I'm going to ask you one more question, uh, which is, uh, related to the, the essence of this show. So it's, uh, yours is on cyber and AI. This is audio signal, which is audio. on or musing on storytellers stories and storytelling So the importance of storytelling in our life.
I always like to say we're all made of stories Even when we go to the grocery store or walk in the street, we're still telling a story, maybe just the way we look, people, the way perceive us, and we can even do it consciously or unconsciously, but we're telling stories. And then sometimes we do it consciously, which is having a podcast, writing a book, doing art to share certain emotions, certain things.
So I want to know, you know, What is your take on storytelling and how important it is for education? I'm going to connect it to what you do for cyber security to from sitting on the board and telling the right story to get the budget, uh, CISO or CTO to what you Explaining maybe to the teenagers how to be a little bit more careful, maybe online.
So why storytelling and why you decided to have this podcast and and telling story?
[00:29:35] Christina Stokes: I think it goes, it goes back to, you know, just curiosity, having that drive for Wanting to keep people safe, but also being forever curious. I've always been someone who's tried to figure out how things work. Um, I always have a million different questions about.
Everything. Like, it's never ending. Um, you know, and like, I read textbooks for fun. So, I want to be able to reach people who have questions just like me and want to learn and, um, how, you know, To do that, other than a talk to the people who are in those seats now and can really answer those questions, um, rather than sometimes, you know, reading a book or reading an article, you get to talk to, you get to hear from somebody who's actually in the seat and dealing with it day to day and not just hear about, you know, How fascinating and fun it is, but there are challenges too, and how you deal with those and push through, because I think that's important to highlight as well.
Some aspects of technology or working in the tech sector can be challenging. It's not always roses. I mean, especially like, for example, I was, uh, in a role and, you know, we, we, we weren't hacked, but we were dealing with, um, a hack, uh, and that happened over a weekend, you know, it's, and, and there, you know, we like to joke that those kinds of things happen on weekends and holidays, but, um, the hackers choose the best time, but it's, you know, there are so many questions that come with that, you know, it's okay, well, how do you deal with that?
Like, I mean, how do you prepare for that? What, um, And now it's, you know, well, what tools are we using? The tools keep changing, you know, the, the frameworks change the, you know, what, what the best guidance is changes all the time. And it's really an industry that you need to, that keeps you on your toes. And I want to be able to, you know, ask the questions that other people have.
Um, That I have too, because I have tons of questions that I'd like to know and learn more about. So I'm hoping that as far as my audience goes, it's a group of people that, you know, want to keep learning, just like me.
[00:32:04] Marco Ciappelli: Yeah, and to connect. The best way to learn is through sharing stories, which your guests will definitely have, and you just share a bunch of stories about yourself, about your experience, and I want to reconnect again to what you said at the beginning, which is, you know, our life, even if it would be easy, if it was just a straight line, It would also be boring.
So it would be a few turns here and there and definitely there are turns and bumps in this industry and up and down. And I think by talking to these people that they're going to share the story from their perspective, people may connect and don't leave cyber security as something so up in the air because it's intangible.
It's like, okay, what is this cyber? Where is it? You know, can I? Can I, can I touch it like I can touch other things in life? And again, analog, digital. So we're all looking together to get to the end. Um, so to get to the end, I want to invite everybody to check your show, which is already live to connect with you.
Um, there will be all the links that you guys need into the notes underneath and ITSP magazine on the host page. Thanks so much. That's where you can find Christina and everybody else. You'll find Diana too. She's still there. She's always very welcome once in a while. She wants to come on the show and I'm looking forward to see her, hopefully one of this upcoming event in the summer.
So, um, Christina, thank you so much. And, uh, I'm looking forward to hearing your stories.
[00:33:54] Christina Stokes: Thank you. Yes. And thank you again for, you know, having me join the ITSP network. I'm very excited about it. And thank you to all of the listeners and future listeners of my show and, um, feel free to reach out and connect anytime.
[00:34:10] Marco Ciappelli: Absolutely. So follow us, subscribe and both of our channels so that nobody's jealous and stay tuned for more stories like this. There's Ton of stories. Uh, we never get bored to share stories. So thank you very much. Bye everybody.
[00:34:27] Christina Stokes: Thank you. Bye.