In this intriguing episode of the Audio Signals Podcast, host Marco Ciappelli engages in an in-depth conversation with neuroscientist and author Yona Bouskila to explore the fascinating intersections of artificial intelligence, human nature, and the art of storytelling.
Guest: Dr. Yona Bouskila, Author
Website | https://www.yonabouskila.com/
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Episode Introduction
Hello everybody, welcome to another episode of the Audio Signals Podcast! This is Marco Ciappelli, and today’s episode is special for many reasons: I'm currently in Italy instead of my usual LA setup, and I'm joined by a remarkable guest, Yona Bouskila, tuning in from the UK. Together, we're diving into a topic that has been on everyone’s lips lately - Artificial Intelligence (AI), but from a unique perspective tied to Yona’s new book, "The Unthinkable Truth".
Meet Yona Bouskila
Yona introduces himself as a trained neuroscientist with a penchant for fiction writing. His innovative approach combines these two fields, making his work particularly significant. In "The Unthinkable Truth," Yona explores the relationships between the human mind and AI, presenting thought-provoking questions that challenge conventional perspectives. Are we, humans, as different from AI as we think?
The Human Mind and AI: A Deep Dive
Yona brings up an intriguing point: during events like the COVID-19 pandemic, people criticized leaders and each other, but not the virus itself. Similarly, we can't hold natural events responsible for their outcomes. What if humans, theoretically, are also sentient automata governed by the laws of nature just like AI? This bold hypothesis posits that our actions might not be as independent from natural laws as we believe.
Simulated or Real? Exploring Human and Machine Similarities
Marco probes further into Yona's perspective, touching on the popular simulation theory. Yona clarifies that while his book doesn’t fully subscribe to simulation theory, it does draw parallels between human decision-making and AI behaviors. An example given is how engineers observed robots showing hesitation when faced with an ethical dilemma, similar to human actions.
Fiction Meets Nonfiction: The Unique Blend in "The Unthinkable Truth"
Unlike most books which fit neatly into either fiction or nonfiction, Yona's book melds the two genres. Citing examples from historical and hard science fiction, he reveals that his narrative incorporates real-world studies published in peer-reviewed journals intertwined with a thrilling fictional storyline. This unique blend is designed to be thought-provoking yet highly engaging.
An Unforgettable Setting: Paris
Set against the backdrop of Paris, the storyline benefits from the rich history and cultural significance of the city. Paris, noted for its pivotal role in many social and scientific revolutions, provides an apt setting for the book's exploration of advanced AI within a contemporary context closely linked to UNESCO.
Balancing Optimism and Caution in AI Development
The conversation also delves into the societal implications of AI. Recognizing its immense potential in fields like medical diagnostics, Yona emphasizes the need for cautious development. He warns about the risks associated with AI surpassing human capabilities, advocating for a balanced approach to incorporating AI into daily life.
The Future of Storytelling and AI
Wrapping up the discussion, Yona shares insights into his motivations and influences from a lifetime of reading both fiction and nonfiction. He expresses his hope that his book will contribute to the ongoing dialogue about AI and its impact on humanity. The podcast concludes with a heartfelt invitation to readers to explore and ponder the deeply intertwined future of AI and human existence.
Final Thoughts
As Yona succinctly puts it, if you're looking for a light read, "The Unthinkable Truth" may not be your choice. However, if you're keen on diving into a thought-provoking, entertaining narrative that pushes the boundaries of your understanding of AI and human nature, then this book will undoubtedly leave you pondering for days.
So, keep an eye out for "The Unthinkable Truth," releasing on May 28, 2024. Whether you're an avid reader of AI discourse, a lover of thrilling narratives, or both, Yona Bouskila's latest work promises to be an enriching addition to your collection.
About the Book
In the hope of distracting himself from his heartache, George Bennet, a mild-mannered professor of theoretical physics, accepts an invitation by UNESCO to join a dream team of experts assisted by a powerful AI, tasked with unravelling the enigma of the human mind.
As this seemingly innocent academic investigation twists and turns, George suspects that they are being duped into aiding a sinister plan, which threatens to shatter the very foundations of society. When the unthinkable truth emerges as their final conclusion, and the plan is exposed, George and the team must be silenced. No matter the cost.
What is the unthinkable truth? Will George survive to reveal it? Only one thing is certain: humanity will never be the same.
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Resources
The Unthinkable Truth (Book, Amazon US): https://www.amazon.com/Unthinkable-Truth-Yona-Bouskila/dp/1803782013/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=
The Unthinkable Truth (Book, Amazon UK): https://www.amazon.co.uk/Unthinkable-Truth-Yona-Bouskila/dp/1803782013/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1704905558&sr=1-2
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Book | The Unthinkable Truth | A conversation about AI, The Future of Humanity, and Of Course About Storytelling | A Conversation With Author Dr. Yona Bouskila | Audio Signals Podcast With Marco Ciappelli
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[00:00:00] Marco Ciappelli: Hello everybody, this is Marco Ciappelli. Welcome to another episode of Audio Signals Podcast. This time you can tell it's not my usual background because I'm not in LA. I am actually in Italy, where I was born, and I heard that my guest has some connection with Italy. But, uh, he's actually, getting on the show from the UK and we're going to talk about something very interesting, something that we talk a lot in both my podcast.
The one about society and technology. And now the one about storytelling and storytellers. And because I just came back from a cybersecurity conference, I can assure you that that was a big topic there as well. That is Artificial Intelligence, which is something that everybody's talking about lately. But we're going to talk about it in the context of a book that Yona Bouskila, my guest, wrote.
And we're going to find out what is his background and why he wrote about this book, what this book is all about, and why he's so interested in, uh, artificial intelligence. So enough me talking. Yona, welcome to the show. Thank you. Well, so I, I throw a, a few things out there about our conversation, but, uh, I would like for you to start by introducing yourself a little bit for our audience and then, uh, what, what's in your mind nowadays and, and why you wrote this book.
[00:01:32] Yona Bouskila: Right. So, uh, let me start with myself. I'm a trained scientist. I should say a neuroscientist, uh, but I also, uh, love fiction and, uh, writing, uh, so I thought why not to combine the two, uh, and in this book that I'll present a bit, uh, more details later, uh, really it investigates, uh, the human mind, but also in relation to AI.
And you know, we are bombarded every day with news about the latest AI breakthroughs. I mean, you can't ignore it. It's everywhere in the news and became a very popular subject for debate. And I think, you know, some people obviously are very excited about the potential, others are terrified by the risks.
And I'm not going to discuss any of this today. subjects. Uh, but I think one thing is certain is that our life is increasingly controlled, uh, by, by sophisticated and, and you could say heartless machines with, uh, autonomous, uh, decision making. Uh, so, I mean, the fears that some people have are quite understandable.
Uh, what, what I'm actually suggesting is to turn the, the question completely on its head.
[00:03:01] Marco Ciappelli: Okay. Let's do that. I like to. I like to do that.
[00:03:05] Yona Bouskila: Yeah. So, you know, I mean, uh, the question is why, why this fear? I mean, are we actually in danger or do we actually maybe feel superior to, to AI and to machines? So, uh, what I'm actually suggesting is that, uh, maybe we are not.
So different than AI machines. Uh, and I'll give you an example. Uh, it sounds a bit controversial, but, uh, if you think about during the COVID pandemic, yeah, uh, people blame the leaders for slow response, uh, for other people for not following the restrictions, et cetera, but nobody actually thought to blame the virus.
Uh, at least not that I know that caused the pandemic, right? Yeah. The same thing with earthquakes and other natural events. And I think almost everybody would accept that events that are controlled by law of nature can't, I mean, you can't hold them responsible, right? So let's imagine now, for a moment, theoretically, that humans are simply, or maybe not simply, sentient automata.
What I mean is that, you know, beings with feelings and thoughts as we all have, but actually no ability to control our actions more than AI. So I mean, this is theoretical at the moment, but if that was true, it would really change our view of ourselves, of society and AI and all at the same time.
[00:04:55] Marco Ciappelli: Wait, wait, are you throwing in here some kind of a simulation theory?
[00:05:04] Yona Bouskila: Yeah. So, so basically that's, uh, the, not necessarily simulation, uh, I'll, I'll give you one example because obviously, I mean, uh, all these issues and others, uh, are raised in my book and, and I don't want to, you know, spoil it for anyone. No, yeah, of course. Right. But I'll give you one example. You know, some people say that hesitation, uh, when you have a major decision is, is really a unique, uh, human behavior or, uh, phenomena, but, uh, experiments by a British engineer, uh, his name, uh, is Ellen Winfield from Bristol Robotics Laboratory show that, uh, robots facing with, uh, ethical dilemma show hesitant behavior and even paralysis.
Just like us, and this is just one example. So, you know, obviously I developed the whole idea and the discussion much more in the book, but I think if that's true, there will be far reaching implications for society, I think even for law.
[00:06:24] Marco Ciappelli: Me get into this, because I often say From a sociological perspective, that, um, AI is very much human because it's trained on all our content, all the art, all the written that we have fed the machine, the machine learning so that you learn Mimic. We don't, we're not at the sentient AI, but all the way that it acts, it's nothing more than my human, like hallucination, uh, making up stuff.
It's very human when we don't know what to say. Sometimes it's hard to say, well, I don't know. You try to make up something. So your approach seems to me, it's actually almost the opposite that, that we are similar to the machine because we may be. Machine thinking, uh, ourself.
[00:07:24] Yona Bouskila: Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't cross machines.
Machines is a system, maybe a system, but, but we are beings that are also controlled by, by natural laws, right? And you know, for us to do anything, uh, to be in absolute control, we will also have to control the natural laws. And that's my argument that, uh, you know, natural laws cannot be controlled. But of course there's much more than this.
I mean, uh, it's very superficial way to explain it. Right. Right. Of course. Basically, basically, yeah, you're right. I mean, uh, I would compare us, uh, uh, to, to AI, but in the, from the other point of view. Yeah.
[00:08:08] Marco Ciappelli: Like driven by certain rule of, uh, of nature, which, which of course I can completely see. I mean, absolutely.
Absolutely. Um, now. I was captivating already by the title, which when I talk about stories and coming from advertising and marketing, a good title usually is a is a good thing. And the title of your book is the unthinkable truth. And that alone is a lot of interest, at least for me, like something unthinkable.
I'm expecting some kind of, uh, something as you just said the beginning that you're going to flip the problem on, on their head and, and, and do something unexpected, which from what you told me already seems you're, you're, you're, you're going to do something like that. Um, do you think that your, your, your thinking and your approach.
And the reason why then you choose a book to kind of express this, , it's, it's very unique or, or there is like a, uh, like a current of thinking that, that you're following in the scientific community.
[00:09:14] Yona Bouskila: Yeah. Well, I'm happy you, you, you asked me this question because
[00:09:19] Marco Ciappelli: I mean, we didn't plan it. We didn't plan it.
[00:09:21] Yona Bouskila: Me and my publisher struggle with the same issue. You know, most books, I mean, I really fall, I mean, I'm talking about all books that have ever been written, fall normally into one or two, I mean, into two categories, either fiction or non fiction, uh, uh, quite clearly. But of course, there are genres that mix the two.
I mean, if I'm trying to think now, uh, two examples come to mind. One is obviously historical fiction. You know, when the author relies on historical facts or what is known and then fills the gaps with whatever is missing or whatever they fancy. And of course, the other example is science fiction, especially hard science fiction, again, relying on either a few facts that are real and then just going with it, you know, and filling the gaps or making up the rest.
And I think, you know, mixing, uh, fiction and nonfiction, uh, I find it quite attractive. Uh, it has special appeal because it's, it's type of stories that are grounded in reality. Uh, but also stretch the possibility, especially where we either don't know the answers. Uh, although we may, you know, be desperately curious to know about the answers.
I mean, example, I mean, is there life outside earth? I mean, obviously we don't have the answer now. Uh, you know, how, how will everyday life look like in the future? Uh, these things that, that, uh, you know, we don't have the answers so we can write books about it. Now, uh, that brings me to my book that I believe it's, uh, quite unique, although it does mix, uh, fiction and nonfiction in a very clear way.
You know exactly when it's fiction. And, and, uh, when it's not, uh, because basically I'm trying to answer one of those big questions in life, a question that remains unanswered, uh, for millennia, despite, you know, best efforts of thinkers and philosophers and scientists. Uh, and personally, I find it quite frustrating that we don't have the answer, you know, because I don't want to make up answers.
Uh, I want to know the real answer. And I always had this fantasy, you know, to assemble the best minds in the world, perhaps with the assistance of a very powerful AI, and just make them sit together. And I think that would give the best chance to crack any enigma that there is. And that's basically, I mean, of course, you know, it's not easy for me to organize such a think tank.
So instead, I wrote a book. That's exactly what happened. I created imaginary people and I use real information. And by real, uh, I mean using studies published in, uh, peered reviewed scientific journals, uh, to write a book that really, uh, nonfiction intersects with a fiction, which in this case is a thriller.
Uh, and of course it does reach a far reaching conclusions, but. The idea was to interest more people than just academic, uh, academics and, and, uh, intellectuals.
[00:13:06] Marco Ciappelli: Let me, let me ask you a question because I, when I do this, this podcast, the audio signal, I say, I want to talk as much of the story as I want to talk about the storyteller.
So I want, I want to dig a little bit into what you just said here, where you mix fiction and science and you are a scientist by profession. By by, you know, academic background and work and experience, and we tend to think about the scientists to be a certain kind of thinkers and the one that create completely fictitious, fictitious world, a little bit more creative.
But as you look in the past, even people like Isaac Asimov, you know, it was, it was a scientist himself. And so there is many even, you know, I don't know, um, Tolkien as well. We created all the middle earth. He was a very well, you know, researcher expert in, in many things. So the idea that the creative person is somebody that is not into science may be completely wrong.
But what I, what I would like to know from you is Did you grow up, uh, loving sci fi, loving stories that were fiction story, despite the fact that then you choose to become a scientist?
[00:14:28] Yona Bouskila: Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, uh, I love both. I mean, I, I would say I probably read 50 50, uh, half, uh, fiction and half non fiction throughout my life and, and, uh, each one kind of feel a need that I have.
Not many books, as I mentioned, combine the two. I do like science fiction, but even science fiction sometimes just use a grain of truth and then all the rest is really far fetched.
[00:15:01] Marco Ciappelli: Really little, and then it's no ball on there.
[00:15:05] Yona Bouskila: Which is nice as escapism and, you know, I love those books as well. But yeah, so I like both.
Both fiction and non fiction, all genres, several genres, but clearly my book tried to combine them in a new way.
[00:15:26] Marco Ciappelli: In a way that maybe as you were reading when you were a kid or an adult, you're like, you know, nothing is really The way I would like to read, so you know what, I'm just going to write my own.
[00:15:38] Yona Bouskila: That's what I did. Yeah.
Yeah. I think, I think a lot of books have been written based on this premise. Yeah.
Right. Right. Right.
So sometimes I see a book. Sometimes I see a book that I wish I have written, but I missed the opportunity because somebody else wrote it.
[00:15:55] Marco Ciappelli: Do you, do you have an example for that?
[00:15:57] Yona Bouskila: Uh, well, I mean, there is a book that I'm reading, uh, reading, uh, currently, uh, It's called, uh, the biologist, uh, guide to the galaxy, which is,
I think I heard of it.
Okay. It's not the hitchhiker guide to the no, no, no,
very much. It's a very much nonfiction, but still, I mean, the, the writing is, is very, uh, interesting and, and, uh, Clearly the author is very knowledgeable.
[00:16:28] Marco Ciappelli: Very cool. I'm going to take a note on that. All right. So let's talk a little bit about your book again.
We don't want to give up, never, never. We want to that to this conversation to be a spoiler, but we also want to interest the reader, the listener to become readers of your book. So, uh, tell us something about this, uh, this, this story that you wrote.
[00:16:52] Yona Bouskila: Yeah. So, so basically, I mean, the, the story is from the point of view of George, who is a.
A theoretical physicist. He's not in a good place when we start the book. It's not clear exactly, but he is not living with his wife, but So he's quite depressed actually, but then he got he gets an offer to join a team of world experts. And of course in the beginning, he doesn't know exactly what it is.
It's kept under wraps Uh, but basically they try to unravel, uh, the enigma of the human mind. Uh, as I mentioned with, with the help of, of a powerful AI, uh, but, but actually nothing as it seems, uh, obviously they, they do investigate and, uh, they make progress. It's, it's a multi, uh, disciplinary team, uh, Of, of, uh, you know, neuroscientists, psychologists, there are also philosophers and, uh, experts in law and, and other areas.
And, and, uh, they do reach an eye opening conclusion, but that, that sheds, I think, light on both human nature and AI, but quickly turns out, it turns into a cat and mouse game. Uh, with dangerous consequences, and I guess that's more the fictional part, and of course the characters are fictional. Uh, so, so that's why I think the best way to describe it is, is a non fiction wrapped up in fiction or in thriller in this case.
[00:18:44] Marco Ciappelli: Okay. So is it already on a, on a, on a future time where AI is already more advanced than the one that we consider AI capability nowadays? Is it already on a, on a future time where AI is already more advanced than the one
[00:18:56] Yona Bouskila: I would say it's a, it's a very near future. I mean, obviously I'm, you know, a lot of things happening in the AI that we're not aware.
So it's quite possible that the AI is already, uh, those capabilities are already present, but I would say if they're not present now, they will be very soon. But all the rest is very much in the present, uh, happening now in Paris.
[00:19:26] Marco Ciappelli: Okay. I like the place. Paris . Um, so you put this AI as a, as a member of the team, not, not, let me understand this.
Again, I haven't read the book, so it is not a tool in this book. But is is part of the thinkers that, that you put together in this dream team. So I, I am assuming it already taking a level of. It's a kind of interaction to peer to peer humans and AI. So tell me a little bit more about that.
I'm fascinated by that.
[00:20:01] Yona Bouskila: Initially, it's introduced as an assistant. Obviously, I mean, uh, as, as brilliant as those, uh, scientists and experts are, they can ask for any information from the AI, uh, because obviously it contains all the knowledge humanity has. I mean, just like, you know, the internet and, uh. You can ask questions, uh, just like a CHAT GPT and, and, and the, the other devices that are being produced now.
Uh, but of course, uh, it turns out to be more than that. So it takes some, uh, active actions, uh, later on.
[00:20:46] Marco Ciappelli: Hmm. All right. I don't want to ask you any more things about the book because I feel like I'm pushing you to say too much. Let's go, let's go back. I think people are already fascinated by it. I'm very excited and intrigued by what the book is going to be.
What I would like to use this last few minutes with you is to go on in the in the debate that you kind of hint the beginning between the side of people that are very excited about AI and the potential of it, maybe for human growth, um, and societal growth as well from a philosophical perspective, and those that are very scared by it.
They're, you know, they're going to think about the day that it's going to take over. I mean, we have books that , depict both scenario. It's probably up to us to put the guardrail and see how we, we can manage this thing. And if it's really, something that is going to be that powerful. How do you see now society as a scientist and a philosopher, um, interacting with us?
I mean, are we as human doing the right thing at this beginning stage of AI, which by the way, is not really beginning. I mean, AI has been going for many years, but for the mass knowledge and being on the news, it's people think it's started with which is obviously not, not true, but we started to use it.
This is a great way to do it, on our phone and our computer with that. So where are you standing here between your scientist and philosopher mind when it comes to society?
[00:22:23] Yona Bouskila: In terms of A. I.?
[00:22:26] Marco Ciappelli: Yeah. In terms of A. I., what we're doing with it, what we're expecting from it, are we over, you know, are we expecting too much from it?
I don't know. That's the question.
[00:22:37] Yona Bouskila: Well, I mean, how much we expect is up to us, but I think, uh, definitely it's something that Develops very quickly and, and, and is incredibly powerful. I mean, we can see it. I mean, uh, in my day-to-Day work, I, I also work in oncology and, and other, uh, medical, uh, uh, research and, and clearly, uh, I have no doubt that the researcher in term of diagnostics, uh, that it, it is and it will be, uh, superior to people.
Uh, in terms of the speed, accuracy, uh, and this is just one area. I'm sure there are many areas that I'm not aware of. Uh, and you know, just like evolution, everything is, uh, geared towards improvement. Uh, you know, the Winion, uh, evolution, uh, whatever doesn't work will drop and, and only the best AI, uh, at least that we are trying to develop, uh, will survive.
So I have no doubt that the capability will improve, uh, tremendously. Uh, but at the same time, I would also suggest caution because, you know, as, as many suggest, uh, there will be the singularity point. You know, if something is just improving and improving, there will be point a point that it will surpass, uh, Our intelligence, or at least, uh, I don't want to define intelligence now, but our capabilities, uh, and, and not necessarily intentionally, uh, it can lead to, uh, dramatic consequences.
Uh, and I say not intentionally because I, I don't believe so much in, in, uh, conspiracy theories or You know, uh, you know, uh, a very, uh, mean AI, but, uh, I think because we give it so much power and of course, you know, I mean, uh, even, uh, GPS, I mean, SatNav, uh, many people don't even have a map in their car, you know, we rely entirely on, on the, on the SatNav and, and indeed, I mean, I think, uh, With very high success rate.
But, but the more we give responsibilities for AI, we actually lose control. So if at any point either makes a catastrophic mistake, unintentionally, we may not notice it in time or it may be too late. That's my personal fear. So I think we have to be very cautious. Uh, and I think once we pass the singularity in this general AI, uh, I think all bets are off, uh, where we will go.
So I think we have to, to think about safety and, uh, you know, be cautious, uh, now that we are clearly still in control. You can still unplug the machine. You can still bypass it and do things manually. Uh, and just be very careful in planning the future. That's, uh, that's my,
[00:26:05] Marco Ciappelli: uh,
[00:26:05] Yona Bouskila: you know,
[00:26:06] Marco Ciappelli: yeah, no, no, I love that because you're depicting it in a way that it's, and again, it's not inherently dangerous or inherently evil, but we may just oversee certain things that then it change us, it change our society and maybe, you know, It will be a little too late when we realize the way that it's been changing us.
And I think, as you said, I know people couldn't go back home without the GPS. They couldn't, they couldn't find their way home. Uh, it reminds me when I moved to LA in 2000 from Italy. And I had the Thomas guide in the car. It was a big, big map of LA that you have to follow from one page to another to figure out where you're going.
And nobody has that anymore nowadays, which is a good thing. But I think our brain also changed because of that, our sense of direction. And so you can apply that to a lot of different aspects, education, you know, memory and many other things in life. But it's undoubtedly. The advance in, in, in the medical field, in the scientific field, uh, it's, it's incredible.
Um, a lot to think about it here, but I do have one, one more question because I'm curious, um, why Paris?
[00:27:31] Yona Bouskila: Uh, well, I mean, there are actually a few reasons, uh, because, uh, I had to come up with, uh, some kind of organization that, that, uh, organized this think tank. And I thought, what can be better than UNESCO?
And the headquarters of UNESCO is based in, in Paris. Another reason that Paris is a lovely city and also, and I think the third reason is that it also has to do with, uh, you know, a lot of, uh, social revolution started in, in, in France. So without giving, uh, too many, uh, Hints, uh, there's also a part that, uh, is related to, related to France and the spirit of the French.
Yeah.
[00:28:28] Marco Ciappelli: All right. That's good enough. Fair enough. And I think, um, as, as Dan Brown choose Rome for one of his, uh, on his book and, and then, uh, Florence and, uh, you know, many books are. In London and of course Paris, this is not the first one. I think it's always a good setting for not only for art and good food and and culture but also for for some technology. So I'm glad that you choose that. And I'm staring at the cover of your book right now, and that's why I see the Tory fell. And, uh, and that's why I wanted to ask you that.
So I'll I know the book is coming up on May the 28th, uh, 2024. So there will be links into the notes here to, the book and get in touch with you, your website, which is YonaBouskila.Com. And again, people don't need to spell it. There'll be the link to it in the, in the notes.
Uh, to end, I'm going to give you a couple of minutes to invite people to, uh, read your book. Uh, it's, it's your two minutes elevator pitch to, to sell your book. Do that. Well, I haven't prepared anything. That's why I asked you. I want the spontaneous.
[00:29:54] Yona Bouskila: All I can say is that if people are just interested in light reads, which I must admit that I'm also interested. Sometimes I just like to chill out with a very simple. This is probably not the book to read if you are just looking for something light. But if you're looking for something that is both. Uh, thought provoking and at the same time, I hope, entertaining, uh, and of course, if you're interested in the human mind and AI, I think that you may be interested to try the book.
[00:30:36] Marco Ciappelli: Good. All right. Cool. I like that. And as far as I'm concerned, I'm very fascinated by AI. I talk a lot about it, uh, both from technological perspective, then philosophical perspective. So, you have definitely. A reader in me the moment that the book come out. I will definitely read it. It's definitely in my in my area of interest and um, I'm, very honored that you found this time to join me on my podcast and talk about the the future maybe of uh of Our society.
I mean you can't ignore it
[00:31:16] Yona Bouskila: It's my pleasure. If I can just add one more request if please if people readers enjoy the book Please leave a review that would be greatly appreciated in Goodreads or Amazon. That would be wonderful.
[00:31:34] Marco Ciappelli: Wonderful. And I always encourage people to do that because, you know, we put our time in doing this content.
You put a lot of time in writing your book. So if you like it, let everybody know. Share the news as well as do the same for this podcast and this conversation. And subscribe and, uh, on whatever app you're using to listen to your podcast. So then again, this is Marco Ciappelli from Audio Signals, uh, podcast.
And Jonah, thank you a lot again for being on the show. Take care, everybody.