Join host Marco Ciappelli and Phillip Wylie as they discuss the evolution of podcasting, the importance of making guests feel comfortable, and how podcasting has allowed Phillip to make connections and friends on a global scale. Perfect for aspiring podcasters or those who love hearing stories and advice from experienced podcasters.
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“Join hosts Marco Ciappelli and Phillip Wylie as they discuss the evolution of podcasting, the importance of making guests feel comfortable, and how podcasting has allowed Phillip to make connections and friends on a global scale. Perfect for aspiring podcasters or those who love hearing stories and advice from experienced podcasters.”
Welcome to the Audio Signals Show's new series called Conversations About Podcasting, where we dive into the world of podcasting and talk to experienced podcasters about their journey and their advice for others.
In this episode, hosts Marco Ciappelli and Phillip Wiley talk about Phillip's podcast, The Hacker Factory, which just hit its 100th episode. They discuss how podcasting has become a passion for Phillip, the importance of making guests feel comfortable, and how podcasting has allowed Phillip to make connections and friends on a global scale.
The hosts also touch on the evolution of podcasting and the technical aspects of recording and editing. If you're thinking about starting a podcast or just love hearing stories and advice from experienced podcasters, then this episode is for you.
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SPEAKERS
Marco Ciappelli, Phillip Wylie
Marco Ciappelli 00:02
All right. Welcome, everybody. This is Audio Signals on ITSPmagazine. And I hope you're watching the video unless you're watching and staring at the radio or the phone or any tool that you use to stream voice. Because if you're watching the video, you're gonna see that there is a good good good friend of mine, and also a long time host of a show on ITSPmagazine. And he's the hacker maker, Philippe Wiley. How are you, man?
Phillip Wylie 00:32
Good. Thank you. Great, great to be on with you. Again, I've enjoyed podcasting for ITSPmagazine. But anytime I have the opportunity to be on with you, and Sean is always great.
Marco Ciappelli 00:42
I know, I know, it always remind me the day that we met. And it was, I think the anniversary is coming up soon, because it was at RSA conference a few years ago in San Francisco. And that was the beginning of a relationship that that culminated we collaborating on on ITSPmagazine, podcasting. So I have to thank Chloé for that Chloé Messdaghi.
Phillip Wylie 01:06
Yes, it was the whole thing. Getting Started in pentesting. I mean, that pentesting beginning started podcasting. And all that just kind of really came from that association with Bugcrowd. You know, I got to meet Chloe, throug BugCrowd, she introduced me to you and Marco, I mean, you and Sean. And it was kind of interesting. I was doing the webinar series for BugCrowd. And you were going to try to record it during DEF CON, but wasn't able to. But anyway, it's just really kind of cool how the connection to all that worked out.
Marco Ciappelli 01:37
I mean, seems such a long time ago. And it's it's a few years. But I would say if we if we're going to talk about podcasting, which by the way, this is about podcasting, we're not going to talk about pentesting, we're not going to talk about hiring, we're not going to talk about hacking and stuff. Oh, nice. So for the listening, feel if there's still the itsp magazine, little badge that we we gave him at the time, I have a few of those on my hats and on my backpack. So we probably need to do some more for for this year coming up at RSA. But we'll talk about that later, maybe. So, Philip, the idea that I had for these for this series on Audio Signals, which is kind of like the side channel for all the fun stuff, or the stuff that I'm curious about and the stuff I want to talk about. And podcasting is one of those has become a passion of mine. I started mass media and sociology of communication as a student and always loved radio, old school radio. So when I saw the opportunity to podcasting was really coming out strong as an extension of a radio, I kind of jumped on it. And so I want to start this conversation with many like you that are podcasting. And they like you said, you didn't even have that in your plan in your strategy, but then you ended up doing it. And we're also here celebrating your number 100 podcast on ITSPmagazine, I have to say you've been really consistent delivering every week, and an amazing guest after another and that's a sign for me to you really enjoying it. So the hacker factory, that's the name of the show. Tell me a little bit about that, how the idea came and of course, a little bit of your background. So people that don't know you, either in the industry or another industry know who I am talking about and why I'm so excited to be to be on with you.
Phillip Wylie 01:37
Yeah, it's been a lot of fun. And one of the things too, for the the listeners is, you know, this even goes back beyond the hacker factory because we do the uncommon journey, Chloe, Alyssa Miller and myself. Yeah, and that was really good. We had some great guests on but one of the things we ran into was, you know, people think I'm busy. But when you see how busy Chloe and Alyssa are, it's, it's amazing. So the three of us trying to schedule ourselves with our guests just really got pretty difficult with so we did it for about a year. And I remember you came with the opportunity of us doing our own podcast which I'll I had a lot of fun with the three of them. But you know, I have a lot of the things I do. And you know, that was kind of spirit of that podcast. The things I do is I'm trying to help people. The show was originally supposed to be geared more towards pentesting and offensive security careers but one of the things I learned kind of like with the group, I started the pawn, school project on meetup it started out being focused on offensive security, but then you see the need that there's all these other areas of security that needs to be filled. The information needs to be shared and shouldn't just be so narrow scope so kinda like the way that turned out the podcast has gone that direction. Because there's so many other roles that need to be filled in, the stories need to be told. And I guess I'd have to say the stories are my favorite part about this, because a lot of people listen to the podcast, or aspiring security professionals are new into their career. But the thing is to there's a lot of people that have been in their career for a while, that love hearing the stories. And just the way it resonates with different people encourages and inspires. And fortunately, I've been consistent with putting out an episode at least once a week. But it also I'm seeing, and the reason behind the mission I need to do that is there's so many stories need to be heard. And if one of the each episode only helps one person is worth doing it. So that's kind of the reason I keep trying to do that. I've had, you know, Alissa Knight, Dave Kennedy, and other people are really well known in the industry. But it seems like the episodes of the lesser known people are just starting out, seem to resonate more with people trying to get into the industry. You know, they've heard all sorts of listen night, Dave Kennedy many times over and over again. But when you see these other unknown people are not very well known people, you know, it's really can be inspiring to those they're trying to get in.
Marco Ciappelli 03:46
That's a great point. And I'm gonna stick with that, with two things one, you said stories, I think we're all storytellers, even people that don't go as a guest or don't have a host position on a podcast. I mean, even when you talk to, to your friends, you are telling stories. You know, being on a restaurant, I've met this person, and I've watched this movie, and you give a little summary. So it's part of our DNA. And, and I think that podcasting, it is, it gives you that freedom to tell stories that you're interested in. And you mentioned also, as you start doing that, first of all, I think it comes easier, especially when it's just you, you don't have to coordinate with another co host. Yeah, just like, like right now we, we decided the other day, I sent you on my calendar, you took the invitation, I didn't have to prepare for this, you know, I know it's gonna be a conversation and hopefully a good story. But then, as you go, you don't want to be cornered… unless this is my, my feeling. Because your interest can change. It's kind of like you mature as you have this conversations. And maybe from one conversation, you start seeing that, hey, that's another topic I could I could cover and as you're saying, kind of like your vision start to to open in probably even going outside the industry, I think I mean, you may be interested in telling story that are still inspiring people. So what was it that you have learned in these 100 podcasts with your guest and and also about yourself and where you want to go with the next 1000 or 10,000?
Phillip Wylie 07:17
Yeah, one of the things I've kind of learned and fortunately, I had this effect early on is the best compliment I ever get from a guest is that I made them feel comfortable. And one of one of my more recent episodes, I interviewed someone that's been in the industry for a while pretty well known. I'm not going to spoil it for anyone yet to know who it is, they'll have to listen to see who this particular person is. But this person has presented a conference has been on panels, been a webinars been on podcasts. And he said, at the end of it that went really well. He said I was expecting to get grilled, because I guess some people that do these podcasts is almost like a technical interview. So making people feel comfortable, I really want them to, it's about them, I want them to be able to give the best perspective of their story. And their advice to you know, they're the star of the show. And I want that to be seen. And one of the things is kind of plays into one of the things I like to do. Along with teaching and mentoring. I love to make introductions to people. I'm constantly introducing people I know, at conferences or virtually to other people, that maybe they reach out to me for mentorship, or looking for different resources. But people that I can see would really help them to know, I like making those introductions. And so the cool thing about this, I'm able to make those introductions on a global scale to people that don't know me. They don't know my don't have my LinkedIn information. And my Twitter, they find me through the different podcast platforms. And that's the beauty of podcasting much like publishing a book. Because there's ways Yes. Yeah. So it's like you're able to connect with people that no other way. So that's why I highly recommend if you want if you're just a writing book, write a book, if you want a podcast podcast because you're able to reach people, otherwise that you never would have reached when I was at BlackHat Europe. I ran into people that had listened to my podcast, and it's I see people that I meet through doing the podcast that's really cool because one of the things I love doing is making friends and connecting with People this has been an extension of that effort.
Marco Ciappelli 10:04
That's really cool. And I feel the same. I mean, honestly, especially during the year of the pandemic, it got me connected, it kept me in touch with reality, if any visit digital reality is still a reality, we can still talk to each other in real time, we can go live sometimes with the shows. And you know, and honestly make friendship I so many times you post on Twitter or Mastodon now or any other places where you go to an event, and then your posts usually is here's a picture of me with this person that we've been already known each other for a long time, and we finally get to meet. So it's kind of like it kind of like the line in the sand, it's more and more blur. Because, I mean, you still know someone even if you've never met him, how do you feel about this, when you run into people that are like, Oh, my God, it's, it's Phil.
Phillip Wylie 10:58
I definitely love the in person interactions. So much, it's kind of hard to replace, but one of the things I've learned from the pandemic, and all the emphasis heavy emphasis on virtual relationships and interactions, messaging, and all that is that, you know, I value those connections more, because when you meet the people in person, it's like, you've known them forever. It's not like this is the first time you met in person. So it's been, it's been a good experience. And one of the things I really value and it has encouraged me to, you know, keep it up and do even more.
Marco Ciappelli 11:30
Very cool. So let's talk if you if you wish to share some of this information, you know, once again, like I said, one of the reason why I'm doing this is because I want to have these the beginning of a series with other podcasters that come on my show, and talk to me about what they podcast about why they do it, but also, you know, the, the, the good things, the bad things, the what it comes easy, what it doesn't come easy. And I would like from you to hear what your story stick with the story has been like we did it came easy to you to start from scratch. Because you were already a speaker and somebody that was teaching in classes do you feel like you got better you were going to do change your style. And you know, even from a tech perspective, you know, the whole recording, editing and all of that, I mean, kind of like your evolution, that's a thing in broadcasting so that maybe people are thinking and I know a lot of people are thinking to start podcasting. Right now they get an idea of what it means to start from, from scratch.
Phillip Wylie 12:43
Yeah, it's it wasn't too difficult because of public speaking, you know, speaking conferences, teaching. And that sort of thing. It was not as difficult to start out. But I did learn some lessons, lessons along the way, it's been fairly enjoyable. And I would say the only times it gets kind of difficult. And there's times you kind of reach the burnout stage for anyone that does conference speaking attends a lot of conferences, once we get into fourth quarter, there are so many conferences because you have, you know, Cybersecurity Awareness Month, there's a lot of conferences around that. So there's a lot of conferences that fourth quarter, and just the accumulation of the travel and speaking all year long, you start to kind of get burnout. And it gets kind of difficult to do. But one of the things that keeps me to continue doing it is as long as people are getting something good out of it, I'll keep doing it. So now it's interesting now how many messages I get on LinkedIn or people connect with me because they found the podcast. So that's encouragement to keep going. But what I've kind of learned to work around that is in phases, I know that I'm wanting a break, I will make sure to record several episodes in advance. So that way I can have like, if I want a month off, or the last two weeks of the year, I can take that off because I've got all my podcasts recorded ahead of time. So it's a matter of planning around those, those times. And for other people it may be other times a year, this more busy depends on the industry they're in or just other things that go on in our personal life. So just scheduling in advance around that. There has been times that I've got guests like a day or two before the podcast was going to be posted, you know, be published. So it's been kind of last minute, but kind of doing that more advanced kind of, you know, lowers the stress. And just also to one things I've learned to was a good lesson I kind of learned from doing a webinar. And it kind of made me think back to the podcast I did with Alyssa and Chloe because, you know, would ask questions on an employee had a rapid fire questions that she'd do at the end of the show. And I had someone on one of the last webinar series I did for bug crowd. I had this guy on and we're going through it with blood crowd, the flow of it all this and he said, Don't put it like a question make it conversational. So that's something a lesson that stuck with me He that I make sure to do, I don't say, I got a question for you, I asked the question, make it conversational, make it flow better, because what you're gonna do there is you're going to have more content, and spending less time trying to come up with things, if you just do question and answer, it's gonna be hard to fill that 30 minutes or whatever. But if you make a conversation of it, and I've also learned to kind of let things flow, I've got a basic framework that I use. And this comes in more handy with someone who's less experienced, I've had people on the show that had been on many podcasts hadn't spoke much, not very experienced, and you'd have to ask them a lot of questions. And that's fine. But learning how to ask the questions. Making a conversational can make a good experience for someone that's new, someone that's more experienced, it's not as difficult. So I have these basic questions that I asked during the podcast, things I discussed, in a lot of cases, if someone's experienced, won't have to even touch on that. Or if they're talking about other things that are interesting, maybe the show will be a lot different than others. And we go down that path and do that. And so that's, it's been fun. And I really like the ones where it's, it gets more from the structure of the show, and it's more just free. And you know, it's a conversation where I get a lot of good out of it. Because I get to know these people hear their stories and learn some good advice.
Marco Ciappelli 16:15
Yeah, I share 100% Oh, you said I mean, I have many times where the PR agency will ask me, “Can you give me the question for the guests?” And I'm like, I don't know, I don't even know what I'm going to ask. But I know that this is the topic we're gonna talk about. And I know that if this person wrote a book about it, I'm pretty sure they know the topic, and if this person is a professor. And even if I don't know anything about something when I have, like physicist of quantum scientist, and I don't know much about it, I just put myself in the audience shoes. And I'm like, what would the audience want to know now? So I never really know where it’s going. But have you ever had situation that you really felt like… We're not naming anyone but situation that I had, like, what do you really are Like, I don't know where to go anymore with this because maybe the guest is no as talkative because that's the situation that I found myself. How do you how do you move on around that?
Phillip Wylie 17:19
I've had that happen a few times. But fortunately, just kind of getting used to it. It's not as bad anymore, because I've had some earlier podcasts that I had people on, they hadn't had experience with that or not had experienced speaking, haven't asked him a lot of questions. But the funny thing is, I've had totally the opposite. I had two guests that I brought on, I introduced them. And it doesn't bother me because the more they talk, the better it is. That's what the people want to hear. And so there's been a couple episodes that I've had, I introduced the guests, and it's like a conference presentation, they gave their life story gave all their advice with minimal interaction for me, which is fine, but it's kind of funny to look back on to see that. But yeah, you just have to try to listen to the to the person and hear what they're talking about. And then dig more into that. And, and you know, so it's just kind of hard to explain, but just the I've just kind of learned how to how to go with that. And, and I try to keep my episodes, kind of short, there's some episodes, I've had 45 minutes, if it's going good, I just really don't want to cut them off. So keep going. But I usually try to keep them around 30. So it keeps the listeners attention. One things I find nowadays, too, is, you know, they say like, commute times for most people maybe like 30 minutes. So you really don't want them to have to listen to the second half of your podcasts on the way home because life happens and they don't listen to it. So I'll make sure they get all that in. But if you really think about the things that are popular now with like on YouTube, they do the YouTube shorts because Tiktok and instagram videos are shorter, people's attention spans are shorter. So I think people to fill Interesting, interesting information in a minimum amount of time, not too minimum. But you know, I'm saying just that way, people don't get bored. I think people's attention spans are shorter. Nowadays, they they want this they want to move on to the next thing.
Marco Ciappelli 19:10
And keep like scrolling and the next 30 seconds yeah, video. I have to say that in that case. I'm like you I have kind of like the soft spot for me as well. Yeah, 30 minutes could be 25 to 35. But then if I have to guest if he's a panel we can even go to an hour but if I have two guests and especially if Shawn is with me then make four of us then you know it's okay to go to 45 because you get to you have to give the opportunity to everybody to talk but that's where you gotta draw. Draw a line and Shawn is known for being one more question it's kind of like you know, the Steve Jobs one more thing that he's the one more question and I have to kind of like cut him off because I'm concerned about people listening as well but I'm used to listen audible so I know that I can go and stop and started again. But I like the idea to keep it the right amount and for everybody is going to be different. I don't know, what is the right amount? I don't think there is a science behind it. But what do you think about like, so you go into every week. And that's something I want to talk to you about. Because a lot of people, when they ask me, they start podcasting. How can I strategize these, I don't have the time to do it that much. So you do it every week, which in my opinion, it's it's quite a bit for someone that is only job is not podcasting. So if I don't record at least two podcasts every day, I feel like I didn't work enough. But that's what I do. Right? And, you know, I'm one thing, the website and all that kind of stuff, but for someone that is bringing the podcast into his or her their personal brand, and make networking and connection and all of that, do you feel like once a week like you do, it's a little bit like over commitment, and what is on your opinion, the soft spot to be consistent with your audience. And also talking about that, how then you engage with your audience in terms of letting them know who's coming up using your social media? Because I mean, let's, let's face it, you have 1000s of listeners. So there's a lot of experience there that that seems that you're doing the right thing. So how do you evaluate what can you do what is ideally working for you and and how you get your audience to stick with that consistent
Phillip Wylie 21:45
I would recommend anyone is wanting to start out one thing it's I like to make a lot of comparisons to fitness related stuff and regimens you know, you want to make sure it's something you can stick to so if you start out podcasting and you try to do once a week you may get burnout and stop so if you're starting out maybe do every two weeks or or once a month but for me I think to really be successful and have the audience is there's got to be something there because I feel like if I don't put out an episode then they hear another podcast and that fills that time slot and so I want in for the people that are you know, loyal listeners, I want to make sure that they're constantly getting content to listen to so that's one of the reasons I do it is mainly just to build the number of listeners and maintain the loyalty of the listeners I have out there I don't I kind of feel like if you miss sometimes if you something you know if you're listening to podcast series, a lot of times people drop off and so it could be just maybe they didn't put out episode that week or you'd something happened you to see it so I feel like it's important to constantly put out the content, but it really gets to it sometimes that there's so many guests that I get that in guest future guests that I identify that is like sometimes once a week is almost not enough sometimes but you know, it's kind of hard to to commit to more and keep up with that. So it's
Marco Ciappelli 23:07
Yeah, I think once a week it's I think twice a month it's it's good to start but that's my opinion cannot the minimum because once a month already unless you're really producing something kind of like a BBC documentary podcast then then it become a you know, maybe a little too far away from one from another talking about production. I know you have the right tech you heard it from the beginning actually I copied myself and one of the things that people are watching the video they see we have the same mic and and I think we have the same the same mix there too. But do you do you spend a lot of time in post production because it's another thing that many times come up with like oh I I don't know how to add it I don't know how to make this ready and make it sound right So is there some tips or things that you learn as you're going that make that easy? Do you edit post production a lot or you keep it as candid as possible the conversation
Phillip Wylie 24:16
I try to keep it candid as possible. And one of the things also to this is kind of laziness is I don't really want to have to do do a lot of editing and cutting things up. I try to make it easy as possible because I know it's going to be easy for me to continue to put out episodes a week so I tried to make things fairly simple. I used to use I started out using zoom to record and then I ran into something I found out later on maybe there was this feature added later or it was there I realize it is I had one episode one time that I'd sent to you and and one of the the speaker was really low or really loud and my you know the the audio for each track didn't really line up. And I wasn't like doing a single track recording. And so I end up going over to restream using restream. Because for a while I was streaming on Twitch to, like once a week. So I went to that because you can use the different separate tracks, which works out good if you need to edit a track, remove something noise and their background. Or maybe if they slip up and say something later on, we think, oh, we need to remove that your it's a lot easier to go back and edit. But one of the things I kind of found while doing it using restream is they started offering a an option and restream to edit in the script. And so that made my flow a lot easier. So I export the script, D script creates a transcript. And that makes it nice. So if I need an actual transcript that I've got the transcript there, I will take the transcript and feed it into chat GPT and say, How can I create a good title or summary based off this transcript and it makes things a little better because one of the things I didn't realize at first, once I got access to some of the stats, I saw some of my very best episode ever was a former coworker of mine. And he started out in it wanted to move into digital forensics, he has taken all these courses to get into digital forensics decided to take a pentesting course, to make him a better forensics analyst. And what he found out is he liked that better. And so he moved into pen testing. So the title of his episode was the accidental pen tester. And that's got the most listens. And I really didn't get it later on. Once I started analyzing things, seeing the number of listens, really, okay, it's the title. So I started using things like chat GPT to try to improve, improve that. And some other areas I need to work on improve more is work on the, the SEO for the podcast episodes to make sure that's better. But I think keeping a simple flow, make it easy to edit, because you can go in and do a lot of fancy things and cut up but I try to make sure I do everything in one cut. If someone says Hey, could you remove this, that's easy, and I do that. But that's one of the more difficult things to say when you're starting out is going back editing, removing things. But once you kind of get used to it, and you have the right software, it works pretty well.
Marco Ciappelli 27:06
And to be honest, audio editing is not as bad as video editing, video editing. It's way more time consuming. Yeah, I have to say sometimes I let the video go the way it is. And maybe if there is some, you know, tight end of space in between conversation, I'll edit it on the audio because it's a lot easier. But to be honest, again, unless something really happened, it still happens. Somebody drops from from the connect the connection dropped the Wi Fi goes kind of weird. And then yeah, I mean, you make a note, and you go at the backend, and edit that. But yeah, I like candid conversation. Unless you really are. Sometimes things can get a little over. Deuce, you know, kinda like, yeah, you're trying too hard here. I can I know, you reduce the silence too much when you listen to it. So that's, that's really good. I guess the last thing that, again, I tried to write now are using using using you as my guinea pig in finding, you know, the right question to us to all the other podcasts that that will come to the show, the promotion part, you know, you talk about transcript, charging TP the meaning of I mean, the value of the title in the search engine optimization, which has always been that secret sauce that nobody knows about. But I have to say that I'm like you, I try to use the new technology to make things easier. So compare with few years ago, now to get a transcript that is decent, and not completely screwed up that you have to spend so much time in doing it. It's relatively small investment that I think you can do also for accessibility, because you know, there is people that they can listen to your podcast so would they can read it or you know, if it's the other way around. Artificial Intelligence is really helping us on the on the field. But then there is a promotion. So keeping sharing, you know, we do it as itsp magazine jumped on each other post I mean, how do you engage with the, with the audience to keep it to keep it alive because it's not just about creating content, it's then it's sharing it to? Yes, that's
Phillip Wylie 29:33
what you're sharing on social media is a big thing. But one of the things I kind of learned from Gary Vaynerchuk friend of mine turned me on to Gary Vee back in 2012. I got a couple of his books because he's got some really good social media marketing advice. And one of the biggest tips I learned from him that I use just on building my brand and my social media accounts is interacting with your audience. So someone asked questions, people come in It's good to try sometimes it's impossible to reply to everything, but try to reply because people, if they get the sense, you know, if you show them you care, they're going to be more loyal than I'm just a number or whatever listener number 1000. And I'm not important, but I, you know, I value people and, and want them to know, they're important. So interacting with people. And plus, it's a side effect is building a loyal listening base, talking to people, they're going to be more likely to share if they like you. In your podcast, they're going to share people dislike you in general, they're going to, they'll share. So just kind of interacting with those people when you meet, you know, when you're out at conferences and stuff, let people know that, you know, you're at RSA or Blackhat, or whatever, if you want to meet and try to meet up with people and and that's been the kind of my success.
Marco Ciappelli 30:53
Yeah, and I think I think that's what I love about you. And that's why we, you know, we're good friends outside of podcasting, as well as because I feel like I'm the set. This is me, if you don't like me, I'm sorry, go listen to someone else. I try to be nice. I try to, to support the industry or any anything I talk about. And as you said, if you can change one person attitude out of 1000s, or many 1000s that listen in it makes what you do worth it for sure. So, because we've been talking about how long podcasts should be, we're just hitting 31 minutes right now. So I don't I don't want to go against everything. We said. But I want to give you one last space for you to kind of like tease with Where do you see the hacker factory and the hacker maker go in the in the next year? You said maybe you're gonna broaden the conversation, but what's in the future for your listeners?
Phillip Wylie 31:57
Sure, some of the ideas of has, you know, doing things on on YouTube, maybe even starting a second podcast, because one of the things, I think broader topics are good. But I think with the platform, the focus is on cybersecurity, to keep it around that maybe start something else different. Because one of the things I see is just some of the messages and things we can share in the stories. The stories are the best part of it. And so I think if you had like a day, like a series that you just interviewed different people from different areas of life and different professions, I think that that's good information. But I don't see ever, you know, I can't imagine stopping this because as I go out places and meet more people. It's just, yeah, I can't see you because people are getting something good out of it. I get good feedback for me. At times, I don't really understand it just I'm surprised that people liked the show as much as they do so. And so people are liking I still want to keep keep doing it. So
Marco Ciappelli 32:54
well. I am not. So for one set was right. Well, I really enjoyed this conversation, I am excited to for this to be not only this celebration for your 100th episode, which people can already listen, because it's out there on the hacker factor and itsp Magazine, they can also get in touch with you because you have a profile as a host, and there will be the link on the notes of this podcast, some AI is going to take care of that. And also, I would like to take this opportunity to invite actually people that have a podcast, I don't care how small or how big it is. And if you feeling like sharing your experience, and the reason why you do podcasting may be different from the one that Philip outlined. But I feel like if we're there and we want to share our story, I think we all want to do something positive. So I'm going to be idealistic and positive for for once. And anyway, just get in touch with with me with itsp Magazine, there is a a link that asks you why would you want to be a guest on itsp Magazine and mention the fact that you're a podcaster. And I'm looking forward to have many more of this conversations. So stay tuned, Phillip, best of luck with everything you do. I am very, very honored to be your friend and to be on this journey with you.
Phillip Wylie 34:24
Oh, thank you. Thank you for having me on. It's an honor to be your friend too. I really liked the mission of ITSP Magazine from the beginning because one of the things I like is the promotion of positivity, the promotion of inclusion, I think it's just a great message that you're sending. You know, we need more positivity in the world. I would say if anyone wants to do anything, adopt a habit for the new year or a habit to take up from now on is just be nice to other people. You just be amazed at what comes from being nice to other people. It just comes back to you tenfold and We're just making the world a better place, you know, because attitudes are infectious. If you're in a bad mood, you yell at someone, they give you the wrong order at the restaurant. Then that person goes off and they're in a bad mood or anyone else. But if you're just nice to someone instead, if you've got a compliment, share that, you know, be positive, and we need more of that in this world.
Marco Ciappelli 35:20
I agree. And if you have an audience, use it wisely. That's, that's another thing you can do. Again, thank you so much. I'm gonna let you go with your day and 35 minutes. We're going to cut it right here. Bye bye, everybody.